#Dust wrote:Gone84 wrote:the worldwide influence of graffiti may have come from the whole hiphop fascination over here in the states, but that's honestly the commercial side of it all. That mess back in the early 80's with stylewars and beatstreet and all that was great for what it influenced, but it was a corporatizing(or however you would spell that) of remotely different art. Even the original members of TC5(which probably influenced more of style than anyone) were in a rockband. Old hiphop was a great thing before the "4 elements" pigeonholing of things that were only remotely related before that whole european tour went off. I, for one, despise the categorization of what we do and refuse to be tied to any of what hiphop has turned into by its corporate predators. NYC subway graffiti was happening in the 60's and predates what became "the hiphop scene" of the late 70's and early 80's. Not that I don't love the music and the foundation of it because it was a grand subculture. But graffiti being tied to hiphop as its root is almost blasphemy.
And whilst I appreciate all that I can only comment (as I did) on how graffiti came about in the UK. We would not have been exposed to graffiti without the old films. So although you may hate the corporate predation of the artform, it is surely what helped it to spread to such a wide audience as it has now. As I say, that's how it came to the UK. It also appeared in videos like Rapture and Malcolm McLaren's Buffalo Gals, which aren't exactly hip hop now are they Gone? Especially not Blondie, but the explosion here happened with the films and the films brought us the hiphop side of things. I wouldn't dare to comment on a scene I haven't experienced, which is your US scene, but I can comment with professor like status on the UK scene. In particular the whole Bristol scene which I was lucky to be a part of in it's baby years.
dust, do you have the Jackie Albums.. i do.. and im 15.. i 'laaaaaaaaaaav em.
